With button downs, I’ve just had better luck with foreign brands and even then I had to do some searching. In the meantime, support the brands I mentioned above, and if you need to vent, please do so in the comments section below. The cooler, edgier labels have a reputation that the customer wants to buy into. I’ll add another point to the mix, if you have less than a size 8 foot, good luck finding a store to find nicer smart casual shoes. So I wouldn’t look too much into it. Pretty much every t-shirt and shirt either looks like he is wearing a tent or like it has shrunk in the wash. What one commenter above said is true – the guys in the photos tend to have pins and stitches put in for the photo to make it fit well. I don’t use profanity here but WHAT THE F?! 25 Great Watches For Small Wrists (Updated for 2021), The Complete Guide to Business Casual Style for Men [2021], A Beginner’s Guide to Cutting Your Own Hair at Home. It has nothing to do with attracting viewers, because few if any models wear bras during runway shows ever, and they are rarely on TV. I wear a size 4-6 dress, am 5'7"/5'8", and I wear a 28 x 33. Yes. Shame on this industry for catering to the masses and ignoring us (especially you, L.L. But if you’re spending over £50 (which let’s be honest, is pretty easy to do at Zara), then it’s free anyway. What could be the expalantion? Because I know for certain that when 6″3 Hugo Boss is wearing a size M that It will be as tight as a sock on me. I can’t find any adult clothes that fit me. My father is 6.8 and he’s wearing a f*ing Medium. I don’t have the problem some of you shorter guys do, and I feel for you, I used to work in retail and fitting guys with that build for shoes and shirts and pant length isn’t easy. It also doesn’t help that I have a sizable chest (E cup). For now, I’m buying off-season clothes at sixty + sometimes 70% off and having them altered. I used to be a seamstress; the first number is the measurement of the circumference of your waist/hips, and the second number is what's known as your inseam--the measurement from the ground to your crotch (on the inside of your leg). The size S was for a woman 5’8″ tall. They carry a good list of men’s shoes, and I have found in the women’s section, shoes that look masculine as well. Aug 23, 2007 ... there are charts out there that tell you what size you should wear in different sizing systems. SO, you run into shirts that are supposed to be a large or a medium that somehow seem to better fit men who are considerably larger (aside from the fat) than the men that SHOULD be fitting into those shirts. Never miss a post, plus grab this free guide (instant download). They would see, if they saw themselves with other people’s eyes. I take a XS in Uniqlo clothes and have pants shortened (a service which they offer for free!) It’s a height distribution chart (same as the one above). Ford is about 6’1″ or so, and in those days probably weighed about 190 so it IS a pretty good fit. This man in anything but average. That’s what the big & tall men and plus sized women did –and now you can’t go two feet without tripping over a specialty store for them. Of course not. ASOS Based on ASOS' public responses to people on Twitter, it seems that the brand is still exploring how to best implement this new approach to its website. There needs to be more coverage on this clear prejudice in the clothing industry. Do you feel my pain? Allow me to rant…. For me, this sucks, because Medium often fits in the chest but is too short, so my only option is to go for a baggy large that’s long enough for me. Well no… it does. I’m going to teach myself to tailor shirts because I happen to have a similar problem, larger chest, shoulders and hips, small waist. I am glad I found this site. Founding editor of The Modest Man, Brock is an aspiring minimalist who enjoys working out, spending time with his wife and family, traveling and creating great content. I worked in retail for about 7 years, and from what I could tell, brick-and-mortar retailer buyers are petrified of over-inventory. It’s almost always the correct width but a horribly short length. There is nowhere to get pants!!! It was large that varied most widely when we checked. There are no shirts out there for tall thin guys, like the pine tree built guy mentioned above. 2. I’m lean and muscular..the way the body is even if you get big it wont lift your shirt like you think @picklerick. When you look at how quickly certain sizes sell out, surely fashion houses should twig that it may be worth stocking more of the product? Working to make shipping reasonable, but it will definitely be available. We both wear size medium (including ll bean)…in fact, he wears some small shirts too I think. Awesome news! Amazon is a good choice, imo. Some are just sized as if they’re for a much fatter man than I am. Fortunately, blogs such as yours are turning the tide. Sharp and refind trumps tall and sloppy any day! And dress shirts were an absolute no go (and still mostly are in places like Dillards etc, it’s only places like the ones you noted above that fit). The very broad shouldered, whether by the bone structure of an ox, muscular or obesity, would require large or larger size no matter the height. People are content to walk around in ill-fitting clothing because they don’t know any better or because they deem such clothing to be comfortable. On the sale racks, I see plenty of L, XL, & XXL, no S, & few M. Shouldn’t this clue them that maybe they’re making too many of the big sizes? good luck, The tall sizes aren’t any better, they get taller and wider. That’s ridiculous (even in Maine). I’m 5’7 178lb. Please tell me that your line will be availabe internationally! However, I do agree that the “This model is 6’1 and wearing a size M” is bullish**. Brand equity of Zara – Valued at $ 10.7 bn (May 2016 data) this fashion industry retail giant has bagged 53 rd position in Forbes list of world’s most valuable brands.. In general, Its all about stretch and oversized pieces for me.”, “Before becoming a model, I worked in an Inditex store (not Zara, but Stradivarius, which is part of the same family), and both stores have identical sizes. I’m not trying to be arrogant but if you start hitting the gym and bulk up, you’ll won’t ever have to worry about shirt sizes being too big. They simply do not cater for my size, so I won’t allow myself to be disheartened by trying them on unless they look like they have a lot of give. Let’s try some designer clothing. Yeah its quite a pain. Your chest will get big and lift the front but the back (even if jacked) will still be draping over your ass. for the body to fit, the neck would never button or the sleeves would be too short. Things are just as bad here in the UK and designer clothing is the worst of the bunch. What kind of shirts are they? I think it works: Size Small = 6 - 8. I'm asking a serious question Large is too short and baggy, medium is even shorter. Not ideal, but decent. I’m preaching to the choir, but yes, I’m also incredibly frustrated by the lack of decent looking smart casual and dress clothing for smaller men, and the radically varying sizing between companies/brands. Usually Gap t shirts have an acceptable length for me. They do have websites now like Moderntailored.com shirts start at $20 and go up and Tailorstore.com shirts seem to be at $59-$80. I think that’s because every short man has felt underserved and ignored by major retailers at some point in his life. That way we can both look half decent without spending hundreds on shirts/blouses…. $88 shirts and $98 jeans are just not acceptable prices when “average” sizes are widely available for less than $30. His body type is so far from the middle of the bell curve, it’s not even on the chart. HOW TO MEASURE * Measurements shown in the size guide refer to body measurements and not clothing measurements. Seems like we need a bigger voice. My sons are 6’0/athletic-slim and 6’4″/slim. Bespoke vs. Made-to-Measure vs. Off the Rack: What’s the Difference? This way manufacturers can make less variety. Sukoenig is outspoken about the size gap—how when you’re not a “straight” size (a term the industry uses for models who fit the traditional sample size) or “plus” (an often controversial word for sizes above a 12, though models in this category can be as small as a size … Don’t get me started on finding long enough pants without a huge waist. I just wanted to point out that as a 6’2 lean male (similar dimensions to the pictures), I definitely don’t fall into the ‘ton of options’ category in reality. Wtf… I’m going to give a few larges a go and see what happens. these clothes only look like proper fitted on tall guys lol. We shouldn’t have to work so hard!”, Imogen Lysandrou, Curve Model With Models 1, “I absolutely love Zara, but for me, their trousers are a no-go. there is some dark magic at play with the cameras I believe. See Also: 67 Popular Fashion Quotes You’ll Love (or Hate). I hope these brands and the people behind them find all of the success they deserve. You have it all wrong, it’s the tall people they hate. I’m 6’8″ and XL polo shirts may fit my shoulders but they are too short to tuck in and the sleeve sits much higher on my bicep due to relative arm length. I’m glad to have found this site, and it’s helpful to know that I’m really not alone in these feelings of frustration that I’ve had for a while now. Also not made for many men…. Can you tell us anything more about the label you’re planning to debut? Uniqlo as well, I feel like they run true to size, I wear my normal size there (S). This may have been mentioned before, but the issue is perhaps that these clothes are aimed at a young consumer base. I’m 6’2 220lns. I think brands think it’s easier to tailor something shorter than to tailor something longer so they often err on the long side for one size fits all (although never long enough for me to even get away with an untall Large). I’m not stick thin either but I have a 27 inch waist. It’s just business. We do not get anything of worth for short men here. Crew) work out better for you? Crew or Club Monaco. Speciality brands that focus on men of modest height have been emerging slowly over the past few years. I get so frustrated when i read about amazing clothes lines only to find out that they dont ship internationally. So I for one was thankful when places like H&M and Express started popping up so I’m not stuck at only B&R to find anything that doesn’t fit like a parachute. If you are “big and tall” then you have stores, but I don’t believe there are any “short and small” stores. The models used are all young, and the clothes are designed to look best on tall, young frames. As I said, I’m 5’4″ and very rarely do I encounter a man who is shorter than me (aside from in my very large extended Italian-American family which has many men in my range or in my neighborhood, which is Italian American as well; and when I’m in Italy, I have no problem finding off the rack clothing that fits me, so I’m certain this is an American issue). It sorta seems to me that unless you’re the ideal athlete build, there’s no happy medium regardless of height. Believe it or not, there are many people who struggle because they are “just average”. Oh, and outdoor recreation gear (go try on an XS Patagonia Snowboard Jacket for an example and watch as it could fit another person inside of it with you)? So i stick to short sleeves. Agreed that the comments are super helpful, and you should pay attention to where your clothes are from. It’s the same crap we’ve been getting our whole lives for being short just magnified more so. It’s a shame that it refuses to cater for plus sizes, as I think that they are missing out on an incredibly large market (no pun intended!). Interesting to hear this side, I’m your height but a lot lighter, around 70 kg and lanky. Good call! I’m a chick, not a dude… but I’m 5’10 (which is supposedly tall for a female) and I’m a small (sometimes extra small depending on the brand). There is a mentality that if you really wanted to wear … However, size Large fits me like a muumuu, much too wide. When I buy him extra large he is swimming in it because he isn’t an extra large. As such, we decided to do a little digging to identify the models we tend to see more than our actual friends. Much of my life is dedicated to finding the best clothing for men of modest height. Never understood that either. I’m 5’1” and usually wear an S size (I’m 7 1/2 st but not exactly what you call “flat” around the chest and buttocks) and these descriptions can get so surreal, specially on Adidas and Reebok sites where the “models” are usually 5’11” or even up to 6’1” and always wear size S!! I have to order, return, order, return until we find good ones, because they are just not in the stores. I agree that, for the most part, a muscular physique will fill out clothes in a flattering way, but if you’re 5’6” adding 15 lbs of muscle will barely impact shirt length. It will! The 6-footer wears a medium, because the neck of a large is loose, the shoulders sag, and the armpits flap. Zara's strategy is to offer a higher number of available products than its competitors. It’s all a matter of designer preference. It’s a shame that it refuses to cater for plus sizes, as I think that they are missing out on an incredibly large market (no pun intended!). Even the international brands are all dump of tall Americans and Australians. I’ve seen so many major brands advertising proper fit for shorter men, and it’s complete BS. Gentlemen I urge you to buy the size that fits your shoulders and hips. Pretty much every shirt I try on is too short, ending at or just above my belt loops. Damn it I love my boobs. And Abercrombie is small because it's more of a Junior store. I’m a Master Life Coach and Hypnotherapist and work with both men and women struggling with there image as it relates to their size anywhere on the spectrum. And we’re not going to lie—it wasn’t easy! We also got their top tips for finding those curve-friendly pieces at Zara. So im 5’1 and live in the UK and I find it so difficult to find clothes that actually fit. The solution is to always try on small and medium ( I don’t do tall since I am not overweight but I am tall). Anderson wears a 32B bra size so that is ideal for promoting this brand’s iconic push-up bras. This makes clothes a very expensive venture since adjusting a button up adds another $40-$50 to the shirt. I tend to wear mediums because larges are too big in the shoulders and make me look 10 pounds heavier, but mediums are almost always too short. By launching a brand dedicated to shorter men, you are effectively creating those missing SKUs. There’s no way your 6’2″ model is wearing a medium, right? ‘Ready to wear’ clothing is manufactured with long sleeves and legs because the consumer can remove but not add length to the items. Size Medium = 10 - 12. By anyone’s definition of the word, he is not a medium sized man. That just leads them to decide not to carry anything except the “core” median sizes. And shorter gents have it worst. But seriously guys: Are we now gonna act like girls and demand that the industry shows us men who look like an average Joe from the local pub? Your email address will not be published. Zara is one of the most renowned global fashion brands and high street fashion retailers, that specializes in fast fashion and trendy ready-to-wear fashion clothing for women and men. but if i wear like a gucci shirt trust me im a L at least. One good shoe company that comes to mind is Clarks that carries masculine looking shoes. You can be any size and wear skinny jeans as long as the person wears a long enough shirt. For me, i’m 6″ and 85Kg. As I’m looking through their already limited XL and XXL sizes I wonder, Do they really think this is the biggest size for a woman? 04. I’m 5’8, 160 lbs with an athletic build and I always fill out the Medium shirts well… as I add on more muscle mass I’ll eventually have to move up to Large (around the 180lb range). High-street giant Zara has been criticised for not stocking anything bigger than a size large, and none of us—no matter our clothing size—should accept this as the norm. My shoe size can be anywhere for size 5 to 6. which is NOT a men’s shoe size here in the US. I’ve literally gone into clothing stores and had the sales person hand me a medium or large without asking what size I wanted. I look alot like these models shown on here. Then again, ASOS isn’t exactly a high end brand. I’m finding that there are a few more size options and more places that have custom fitting for reasonable prices. Why do models always look so miserable on the catwalk? Another thing that isn’t being mentioned here; While I do believe the information being provided (model height, size they are wearing) is often correct and that these models are certainly not the norm, the clothing they are wearing often appears too small in the pictures. From left to right, the models wear a US size 4, a US size 10, and a US size 8. At 150 I was still broader than these 6’2 models. It’s a good thing companies such as the ones you mentioned and yourself are emerging to fight the good fight. A lot of bigger girls won’t step foot into Zara, but I do every time I visit my agency because I’m obsessed and I know I will find a bargain.”, “All I can say is that Zara sizing seems pretty arbitrary. I’m 6ft 4 and ‘normal’ build (17st), it’s impossible to find stuff long or broad enough that isn’t designed for fat blokes. While size 4 jeans at American Eagle have a 26.5-inch waist, a size 4 waist is 26 inches at Old Navy and 27 inches at Abercrombie & Fitch. Also, we may make up a minor segment of the population but there’s still a lot of us; too many for a business to ignore. The stores tend not to size up to a Large as then the clothing would appear baggy on the super-slim and narrow model they are using. You can’t “tailor a size up” using fabric that isn’t there. The 5'1" star reportedly now wears a 4 instead of a 0. Plus-size models are simply promoting plus-size clothing. I’d recommend either ordering multiple sizes or just going into the shop to try on the garments!”, Stephanie Yeboah, Style Blogger and Writer, “Zara seems to be one of the only remaining stores on the British high street that refuses to cater for its plus-size fans. Both of my sons are both athletic and very skinny. Try to buy a medium here for me and the item will never pass your elbows or reach your waist, if you are a tall.. born in Maine, female. I have very little choice in this regard as most of these clothes have some kind of children’s cartoon character on them. It will be available in three different fabrics and colors. However, it’s a catch-22, because short men tend to shop less at brick-and-mortar because they never have our sizes, so it looks like we buy less. Sleeve length will be virtually the same. The measurements taken will allow you to choose the right size of Zara apparel. I do feel for you guys, brands only started making more Medium Tall options and only in select styles online only in the last 5 years. If you are that size, then chances are the 30″ inseam and the 32-33″ sleeve length fit you. There have been many times where we’ve had to turn away great models because their shoulders were too wide or had too wide of hips. It’s driving me up the bloody wall. Doesn’t work if you need to buy the smallest size (S) to fit your shoulders, but it’s too tight everywhere else…. seriously and if you are gonna bash women who are over size 10, go away or I will thumbs down you. However, I do think my number one tip would be to try stuff on (which I know contradicts what I just said!). Just as they make “tall” (and XT) sizes for people who are taller than average don’t, don’t they make “short” sizes for people who are shorter than the average? They claim their short size fits men 5’7″ down to 4;11″. 6’5″ here and nothing in stores fits either. That’s bullshit! The fashion industry definitely seems to believe that the world is made up of petite women and tall, stocky men. I can’t see why any company would do this in our capitalistic society. If you like the shape of the fit but the sizing is too big or small, you can go up or down a size. It’s a limited run, available by pre-order. I see the same thing! I tend to look for pieces designed to have an oversized silhouette and usually I can fit into the biggest size available. So, it should come as little surprise that these models in the photograph are fitting into a shirt made to fit a much fatter guy (the shirt is also made a little over-long to accommodate the extra belly on a lot of men these days). Have you tried ordering the medium? If there’s an excess of L, XL and XXL, why make the same quantity year after year? The male models we’ve worked with tend to be tall, muscular and lean but not wide. Yes, he is very slim. Don’t be afraid of their clothes, because often I’m shocked about how much stuff fits me and looks great on. I can’t say I’m angry about this (at age 76 & 5’4″, I’ve been living with this height problem for a long time) but I’ve never understood why manufacturers ignore us short guys. Recently I bought a puffer jacket, after I’ve seen two models wearing it, while is states one is 188cm and wear M and the other one is 186cm and wear L. As I knew there’s no way a Medium would fit me, I’ve chosen the Large, but then again around the waist it was really wide, but I knew if I would have taken the Medium it would put pressure on my shoulders. I think we can all agree that fat women deserve to clothe themselves with dignity and respect, and we … Of course, going back to my comment about them being aliens, this isn’t the case. and the other pictures are like none tailored shirts. I mentioned Hugh and Crye to you before Brock, Their short sizes are regular size. Theyre always too short. I firmly believe this is because if they rolled them down they would be ridiculously short. and honestly if you are 5.6 . It’s getting harder and harder to find clothes OTR that fit, especially now that I understand what fit is. That’s fine, those of us with the means need to pay a little extra and support the newer manufacturers that cater to us and prove that we’re a worthwhile market. Lately I’ve put on some decent chest and arm muscle and don’t have much in the way of excess body fat by any means, and I weigh probably about 190 lbs. The sleeves are usually 1/2 an inch too short still with the shirt length a little long, but a Large Tall is just way too baggy and long, even slims (although the shoulders on a large probably fit slightly better, in general a Medium Tall fits better overall). I’d like to take a moment to applaud companies like Peter Manning for their work. All the other South Asian women I know seem to get their clothes from relatives, from someplace in Asia, or they make or tailor them themselves. If they can be produced fairly and sustainably, that would be fantastic as well. I hav not set foot in Zara again. Looks like a $295 shirt from Rag & Bone won’t fit any better than a $39 shirt from ASOS. I will have to look and see if I can get some deals. If you are taller, say up into that 6’2″ range then you’re probably fine, too. Plus, I’ve made the terrible mistake of shopping for XS clothes from those websites on the grounds of those silly standards and then it turned out that the sleeves and legs were still ridiculously long while stupidly tight (!) I like that graph he has too, in all red the shorter sizes are labeled “very few options” then it goes over to the 6’3 – 6’5 area which don’t even get a bar there are so few options and it says in yellow “some options” like it has more than the short guys. I have a sweater from them that fits great (xs), but a Henley in the same size is too big all around. In fact, across all the different items I tried on in Zara that day, I fit sizes 8 to 14. The bars don’t represent options. I can get European shoes, size 35-36 for about $300 for dress shoes. It must be some sort of mistake. T-Shirts that fit us width wise were never long enough. A shorter guy can get a shirt tailored down to fit him, but a brand that uses a shorter guy for a fit model doesn’t have this luxury. This 6’3″ BOSS model is built like a freaking pine tree. I research and write about style every single day. Also I’ve seen many pictures of these website models in outerwear and L/S shirts with cuffs that end a good 1-2 inches short of the wrist, and it simply does not look good. I used to look at it askance myself, but then I did my own comparison (sizes, appearance) and find the info provided as credible. A while back I expressed my frustration with the clothing industry in this post: Why Does the Clothing Industry Hate Short Men? But there is hope! The son who is 6’4″ wears an MT or MXT He would look like a scarecrow if he were to wear an L or XL to accommodate his height. if you are talking bout high end brands the picture you took as example is obviously a oversized model. But I guess it’s also good to ask why there’s such an impulse to spend money in a shop that so very clearly excludes plus-size women. Some “large” shirts are pretty tight on me while others – like the boxy, cheap one I ordered online that I’m wearing now – are about the right length but the arm holes – even with 16″ biceps – are a bit BAGGY and it’s a bit loose around the belly area too, which gives it a sloppy look. fast fashion brands are shit anyway. Modest-height and fat – that’s the American model. What really annoys me is small size clothes that are actually too tight for me in the chest but still much too long in the body and sleeves. go xxs even xxxs are out there, otherwhise go kids man. I have several pairs of women’s oxfords that I have dyed for a more classic, masculine look. But it equally applies to those of us that are not “modest,” just undertall. He does need to gain a little more muscle (like someone said in comments) and he would probably have a perfect fit. Medium was also found to be size 12-14 across all brands, except for Zara where it is a size 10 and H&M where it is a size 14-16. * Measurements shown in the size guide refer to foot length, not shoe size. Hopefully there will be more UK options soon. 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