How good was that project in preparing you? Thanks! Also i don't know much about SUTD. Preparing Doctors to be Future Healthcare Leaders. The aim of such integration and focus is to offer you the flexibility to acquire a strong I know for SUTD they have a bigger emphasis on project work, but for NUS and NTU is there a lot of rote learning? Biography Ashraf Kassim is Associate Provost for Graduate Studies and a Professor with the Information Systems Technology and Design (ISTD) pillar at I'd recommend that you take some time and write down what you really want to get out of your uni life, and then choose accordingly. I'm so confused and desperately need advise. Mostly self sourced? Rather, given my priorities at the time, I felt that SUTD was the university that gave me the most leeway to experiment and learn different techniques that could potentially be useful later on in work/life. © Esᴛᴀʙʟɪsʜᴇᴅ MMXVII, Press J to jump to the feed. However, based on feedback from friends whom went on overseas exchange in the UK/US/HongKong/Korea, they feel that the teaching quality at NUS is slightly better so YMMV. Feel free to change my mind. Bachelor of Engineering (Information Systems Technology and Design). Cookies help us deliver our Services. As far as SUTD goes I do not know too much about it, but it is a more design focussed university. The academics at SUTD are concentrated in 4 fields namely Computer Science, Architecture, Systems Engineering or Engineering. In 2007, he received the prestigious Lee Kuan Yew postdoctoral fellowship in School of Computing of NUS. He is currently a postdoctoral researcher at Technische Universität Berlin working with Prof.Volker Markl on the topic of data stream processing and management. I am enticed by SUTD's focus on real-world applications and projects (which I think would help beef up portfolios for those with no prior experiences) but I am also drawn to the proven curriculum and high quality peers in NUS (which would make it easier for me to get help and improve my standards). When I was applying to universities all over the world, I told myself that I wanted to go to a place where I could. This will be dependant on the faculty members of the division. Some courses are better at NTU than at NUS. Just want to add that nus cs and sutd's istd are just very different courses in general. SUTD is well-known for its research facilities such as the Lee Kuan Yew Centre for Innovative Cities, the iTrust Research Centre, and the SUTD-MIT International Design Centre. I'm inclined towards SUTD but not sure if it is well reputed outside of Singapore. 1. I had an excellent algorithms lecturer while others just copied text from the textbook. I suppose the takeaway is this: Choosing uni is not a question of mechanical benefit. Think about what would be best for you :) It's your life after all. Nus may give you a slight headstart when you are applying for your first job overseas but in SG, it really doesn't make a diff! Now that you are planning to enter the IT/Engineering industry, I think it's important to note that a uni's prestige is probably only going to help you slightly for your first job in this industry. The degree awarded to all successful candidates is identical except that a candidate may use the title of either Ph.D. (NUS-SUTD) or Ph.D. (SUTD-NUS) with his/her home university mentioned first. Aquinas Hobor (National University of Singapore) – Ramification and Other Stories April 15, 2013 2:00 pm – 3:00 pm Venue: SUTD Lecture Theatre 5 (Building 2, Level 5) New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I am enticed by SUTD's focus on real-world applications and projects (which I think would help beef up portfolios for those with no prior experiences) but I am also drawn to the proven curriculum and high quality peers in NUS (which would make it easier for me to get help and improve my standards) SINGAPORE - The Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) will partner Duke-NUS Medical School to offer an SUTD-Duke-NUS Special Track to … NUS also tends to attract people who are already decent programmers. NUS CS. Thank god for OCW or else loads of us will fail big time. I would say the teaching quality is not there, but take this with a grain of salt because I was never good at academics side. Disclaimer: I do not have any current plans on studying or working overseas so I don’t exactly know the disparity between each course overseas and whether a university’s reputation affect it in any way. After that, it really depends on the skills that you have picked up and your portfolio! nus cs is an academic degree in computer science; yes, it is applicable to industry but the primary objective is to prepare you for a PhD. Skills matter! Bachelor of Computing ... SUTD 2018 Graduate Employment Survey by the Ministry of Education. But based on everyone's opinion, I still feel NUS is more theory focussed and less practical. Shuhao Zhang will be joining ISTD Pillar of SUTD as a faculty in early 2021. Like was it 50-50 etc. Biography. Jun received Bachelor and PhD degrees in computing science from National University of Singapore (NUS) in 2002 and 2006. Hi! ... (ISTD) pillar, Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) Dr. Dusit Niyato. There’s some truth to that for algorithms. National University of Singapore (NUS) is ranked among the world’s best for a total of 36 out of a possible 46 subjects, while Nanyang Technological University (NTU) is ranked for 31 subjects. [Xinping was a Visiting Scholar at Purdue University in 2019.] Welcome to /r/singapore the reddit home of the country Singapore. Can attest about management. Just curious!! Thus i can only give you the selling points. Professor, School of Computer Science and Engineering, Nanyang Technological University (NTU) Dr. Zhu Feida. They tend to produce some of the most skilful technical artists every year. What really matters is your ability to learn on the job, your ability to work with others, as well as (obviously) any technical skills you can bring to the role. I am on my final year, so far school has not taught me anything useful for work. ISTD integrates the traditional disciplines of Computer Science, Computer Engineering and Information Systems - focusing on the design of systems that interact with both humans and machines. Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) was founded in 2009 in collaboration with MIT to offer a unique, design-centred and interdisciplinary curriculum in computer science, engineering and architecture. The two universities take turns hosting the event every September. Well, there should be little to no trouble there, so long as you do well in school. ESD graduates will qualify for a wide range of local and international graduate programmes in operations research, industrial engineering, systems engineering, business (e.g. I haven't heard much about SIT in terms of its reputation. I've heard of this about teaching quality at many research focused unis even overseas, even Cambridge and one university in Canada I got into as well. Not so sure if NUS prepares you better than SUTD for the industry. I'm a TA in NUS CS. IMO, its the exact same situation over at NUS. And that pushes you on to great things. We don’t release admissions information but I would hope we have such data to determine the demographics of the people coming. You’ll have to decide for yourself whether this is what you want to be doing or not. (3) I should also make a remark that the most well-taught modules in NUS CS are those not in cybersecurity and artificial intelligence. Just passing through and saw this opinion of yours! NUS Focuses more on theoretical in depth knowledge of computer science whereas SUTD covers the fundamentals and focuses on applying such computer science knowledge in various areas with many more projects being done. That's why I chose SUTD. Thank you so much in advance! YMMV and all the best! PLS help me decide. I only have 2 more days to accept/reject my NUS offer. Firstly, Congratulations on your acceptances! Yitao Han (Bachelor from Zhejiang University), SUTD-NUS Joint PhD student, 2016/9-Xinping Xu, (Bachelor from Nanjing University), PhD student, Engineering Systems and Design Pillar, SUTD, 2015/9- 2020/8. We spent an afternoon with Professor Erwin Viray, Head of Pillar, Architecture and Sustainable Design. I am fortunate to say that in my uni life, I have mostly done what I wished to do. It is important to note that the number of course places changes from year to year. A strong foundation in algorithms and software engineering will serve you well in the tech industry, but you definitely need internship experience no matter what. I personally wanted to be able to build things myself, to see from the ground up how complex systems are designed. It really depends on the course. What about SIT software engineering? What do you think about what one of the others commenters said i.e the administration is going downhill? In 2010, he joined Singapore University of Technology and Design as an Assistant Professor. Bonus: we don’t have an alpha computing prof giving out dubious love advice. Please refer to Table 2 for the Polytechnic GPAs of the 10th and 90th percentiles of polytechnic applicants offered places for courses at NUS in AY 2020/2021. I am pursuing part time computer science degree at NTU and working as a senior software engineer. This opinion is common among my friends who are from NTU. The ESD curriculum prepares students well for advanced studies beyond the undergraduate level. However, the downside is that they neglect soft skills such as creative thinking and presentation skills etc. NUS has the most ‘feature-packed’ curriculum, with plenty of specialisation and double degree options. In stark contrast, ISTD students take only 14 CS-related courses in their 8 semesters. I.e. I’ve a good number of peers from each university, and here some of the things I’ve discovered. Each university shall issue a transcript for their respective courses, with a remark indicating that the candidate has taken certain modules at the other university, where applicable. Thanks. Bear in mind that NTU is a much newer university than NUS, something which probably explains the generally higher quality of NUS. You have to grind through a good amount of leetcode problems if you’re looking to get into any kind of prestigious company. In terms of criterion, I know of some guy who got into NUS architecture through DA but for rejected from SUTD because of grades. (2) I won't comment on SUTD since I don't know much about their curriculum. Do you have any friends/ know anyone who went there for CS specifically but were not already interested in game dev? Like what the poster above me has said, Uni has not taught me anything useful for work. Don’t forget SMU who’s gonna offer both CS and IS as well as specific tracks in AI/Analytics/Security etc.. (PM me for more information). Any advise would be highly appreciated. operations management, finance and marketing), economics, statistics, and public policy. If wanna compare must compare in the narrower sense. Instead, i picked up all my technical skillsets (Full-stack dev) through online platforms like coursera and udemy etc. Do you feel like SUTD, owing to the smaller size, has less opportunities for e.g going on exchange, getting work experience etc? Distinguished Professor of Computer Science at National University of Singapore (NUS) Programme Lead. The education partnership has ended, but courses that were co-designed with MIT still remain a major part of the curriculum. There’s also many other small personal reasons as to why I prefer SUTD over NUS CS, feel free to pm me for more information! Ultimately you need practical, industry-oriented skills to thrive in the job market! I can't thank you enough! KAIST-POSTECH Science War Archrivals KAIST and Postech compete in sports and cyber hacking competitions during this two-day event. It seems that the unis that are less focused on research have better teaching quality and vice versa. The table below lets you see how the two top universities in Singapore directly compare for each subject. I do remember on the open day though that they said in your capstone project you actually make something for a real company in your team. Lastly, DigiPen is actually a very legit option. -Inian Parameshwaran, NUS computer science, 2014 Before entering NTU, I was excited about being a student in a world-class university with a vibrant campus life. I can tell you for an important subject it is jammed through and the importance of algorithms in modern day computing is not reflected in the quality of the curriculum. What you've learned in primary and secondary school are the basic building blocks but uni is where you begin to actually start putting things together. SUTD guy over here. You mentioned that you're looking to gain work experience, and judging by your concern about SUTD, you probably want to work overseas. Point is don't be swayed by people telling you this and that. Why this mattered in my choice of university is that I wanted a place that taught me more than just how to put things together. the people you'll mix with will be some of the most hardworking hustlers you'll see. What would you say was the mix between rote learning/exams and projects in your courses at NUS CS? Thank you for this post!! I thought SMU is better known for the business and marketing, even for IS. In comparison, quite a handful enter ISTD without programming background every year. But he has complained to me that his projects are often surface level, and the exam stress can get insurmountable. SUTD's program is on the other hand decidedly more vocational, preparing you for an industry job (although they have some SHARP extra program which prepares you for research as well). Biz vs biz, Psych vs Psych etc. And how relevant are the courses at each of these to industry? This compares with the median gross salaries of mechanical engineering, industrial systems engineering and computer science graduates from the National University of Singapore (NUS… :) Feel free to dm me if you have any qs! Press J to jump to the feed. SUTD's program is on the other hand decidedly more vocational, preparing you for an industry job (although they have some SHARP extra program which prepares you for research as … I went on exchange to UC Davis and the teaching quality was so-so, not terrible but not great either. Now I'm not implying that NUS or any other university does not do that. MIT’s partnership with SUTD (or rather, the lack thereof) should not be part of your consideration. Never consider it? I've considered DigiPen but I'm not into game development or art particularly, so I'm worried their courses may not be relevant/suited to me. Teaching quality will vary wildly by professor. Most people admitting to SUTD already have a good reason for wanting to enroll in the university be it projects, entrepreneurship, or overseas opportunities. NUS further revealed that the mean gross monthly salary of fresh NUS graduates in full-time permanent employment was S$3,659 in 2017 - … I hear mixed comments abt NUS and mostly positive abt SUTD. The school put more emphasis on researches, so the profs there are better at researching than teaching. In this post, I would like to share some of the events that took place during fall semester in KAIST. NUS Computing, School of Computing, National University of Singapore, NUS, Singapore Universities Graduate from SUTD here. I've worked with self-taught programmers and I generally prefer to work with CS grads; while the self-taught ones may know how to code in the sense that the code compiles and the feature works (mostly), their knowledge lacks a certain rigour e.g. We view the domain of technology and design as an emerging force rather than an established practice. Don't focus on the prestige, but focus on which uni fits ur learning style and the overall environment you want to be in! It's regarding NUS CS focus area. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Wᴇʟᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴛᴏ ʀ/SGExᴀᴍs – the largest community on reddit discussing Singapore schools and examinations. Out of these four groups, two received participation awards, one received a merit award, and one won the 3M Best Project Award under the Mathematics / Computer Science category. PILLAR OVERVIEW Information Systems Technology and Design (ISTD) pillar focuses on information and computing technologies and its relationship with the world. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Do you've any experience forming this opinion? It noted that graduates from 12 courses in business, computer science, engineering, science and law achieved improvement in starting salaries. One cannot simply weigh up all the pros and cons and select based on which one has more pros. Though I have a hunch there’s a slant towards females. Hey Ice Cookie, congrats on your offers! It doesn't make sense for us to help you decide at all. Was from NUS CS. From my perspective, university is all about learning. And how much support from NUS do you get in finding internships? Now as for relevance with the industry, the interview process in our industry is broken. Program. It encompasses latest research findings, both applied and fundamental. The SMU-Duke-NUS Medicine Pathway develops future clinicians who will bring with them a solid understanding and appreciation of the operations of a hospital or healthcare eco-system. University choice is a matter of fit, which is to say, how much you'd enjoy your time there. I will say 2 facts and 1 opinion: (1) NUS CS is definitely ranked better internationally. Within the QS World University Rankings by Subject, NUS displays a breadth of high performance which can be rivalled by very few universities in the world. Between NUS and SUTD, which would you say better prepares students without programming background? Hi! University name alone will not take me anywhere. I'm an international student looking to gain work experience. Whereas NUS has already established itself NTU is still finding its place in the world. Note that I didn't really care about repute, nor ranking, nor difficulty of entry. I'm also a prospective freshman at SUTD, still waiting to hear back from NUS, I'm also in a similar confusion. SUTD advances knowledge and nurtures technically-grounded leaders and innovators, with a focus on design, through multi-disciplinary curriculum and research. It also depends on the specialisation and concentrations that one intends to do. This is so inspiring! You really have to look quite deep into it. SUTD Library acquires ebooks from this platform on a title-by-title basis for course, reference, and general reading. From what my SIT intern colleagues has told me, it seems like SIT have a bigger emphasis on technical hands-on experience. How is the teaching quality on average? Application & Scholarships Convergence of technology and design in the practice of medicine Makes sense, thanks. Culture - historically, the NUS CS program tends to attract the crazy people. 12:20 – 12.30 Welcome Address Dr Low Hong Yee, Associate Prof. Engineering Product Development, Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD); 12:30 – 12:45 Why STEM Is Unattractive to Women: A Comparison Study of STEM Education in Japan and USA This paper mainly explores the reasons why females so persistently stay away from computer science, which is one of … If you want less rote learning, you can choose classes which are more project-based. Agreed, I learnt so much more in my fyp year than my previous years combined. Master of Computing - Computer Science Specialisation The Master of Computing programme is a comprehensive and challenging graduate programme with area specialisations. Prof wise there’s fair share of good ones and bad ones, but be prepared to depend on yourself to cover what’s not covered, though many of peers will be more than willing to help. Just want to add that nus cs and sutd's istd are just very different courses in general. While SMU exposes students to more business courses, SUTD makes general sciences, design and humanities courses mandatory for all students. So clearly I'm biased towards NUS. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. He obtained his Ph.D. degree from the school of computing at National University of Singapore in 2019, under the supervision of Prof. Bingsheng He. I recall that it was […] The number of course places taken up NUS for AY 2020/2021 is shown in Table 3. If your priority is getting into the higher ranked school (and thus a higher chance of getting into FANG or something), then NUS is your friend. He shares his views on the future of architecture, his passion for the field and how he prepares his students to be able to take in the challenges that the world offers. I have friends working all over the world now, and (in my experience) most tech companies don't particularly care if you're from a venerable institution with a celebrated history or a young upstart university. My brother is in NUS now, and I can tell you pretty confidently that he's having a great time, learning a lot. SUTD-NUS PhD Jyothsna joined The Fermart Lab in 2016 as NUS-SUTD PhD fellow. I personally feel that because SUTD makes us do a whole lot of projects, both solo and in groups, we end up having a pretty good ability to think on the fly and do good work. However here in Singapore, many employers tend not to discriminate between university computer science degrees and look at the individual on what s/he has done. Singapore’s global superstar, the National University of Singapore (NUS) is currently ranked 11 th in the QS World University Rankings, and first in the QS Asia University Rankings 2021. I did my undergrad at SUTD having also considered applying for NUS and so please note that my response is probably going to be biased towards SUTD. I have no doubt all of them are wicked smart, but being smart doesn’t necessarily translate into being good at teaching. Are you in ISTD? It integrates the traditional disciplines of Computer Science and Information Systems while focusing on computing, systems, and intelligence. Between NUS and SUTD, which would you say better prepares students without programming background? You go to the best to seek out fellow talents. I have also received undergraduate merit scholarship at SUTD which covers abt 50% of my tuition fees. Basic Salary Of Graduates From National University of Singapore (NUS) Degree From NUS Median Salary; Faculty of Arts & Social Sciences: Bachelor of Arts: ... (Computer Science) $5,000: Bachelor of Computing (Electronic Commerce) N.A. If you have different priorities like I did, then maybe SUTD would be good for you. If you want to come here to avoid heavy content, you might as well avoid university completely. Dr. Ooi Beng Chin. The SUTD-Duke-NUS Special Track nurtures future clinicians with a foundation in engineering or architecture who can think creatively and work across disciplines. As an international student myself, I must however acknowledge that NUS is obviously a far more reputed institution worldwide (I've lost count of the number of times I've had to explain where I'm studying to friends and family). The electives are pretty interesting though. She is passionate about understanding the properties of different types of materials and how they can be applied to the domain of living or biological systems. How is it there? Though we do have projects (a hell lot of them), be prepared to balance that on top of heavy curriculum (I’ll say maybe only 10% less because we have projects and Wed and Fri afternoons are blocked out). You’ll also have to understand that the pedagogy for SUTD is vastly different from the typical university route in Singapore, having common mods among students in the first year and then moving on to deciding which pillar (and then specialisation) to study. knowledge of software engineering patterns, writing 'clean' code. Access a diverse range of high-quality academic content spanning 17 subject areas, such as Asian Studies, Chemistry, Computer Science, Environmental Science, Engineering, Materials Science, Mathematics and Nanoscience. ISTD combines the teaching of Information Systems and Computer Science with focus on computing, systems and intelligence to prepare students for a wide range of computing and management careers in a variety of industries. Also are the projects mostly team based or individual? nus cs is an academic degree in computer science; yes, it is applicable to industry but the primary objective is to prepare you for a PhD. Co-Investigator. 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